NOS? Mint?

[igorschutz]

Na minha opinião, o problema tanto com os jargões quanto com as notas está em quem avalia, que geralmente é a parte mais interessada na valorização do relógio.
O que é 8,5 pra você, pra Fulano pode ser 3 e pra Sicrano ser 9,5...

Foi como falei acima: muita gente denomina determinado relógio como mint, mas quando o vemos fica perfeitamente evidente que a peça está loooonge disso... É luminoso manchado, mostrador desbotado ou pururucado, ponteiro oxidado, caixa já re-polida... Tem gente que usa mint pra tudo!

Pô, já vi nego anunciando "Rolex mint com linda pátina" (sic)!!! Porra, se tem pátina, obviamente NÃO é mint! Mint é para relógio que está em igual estado quando acabou de ser fabricado.

Um abraço,

Igor

[LUW]

Pô, já vi nego anunciando "Rolex mint com linda pátina" (sic)!!! Porra, se tem pátina, obviamente NÃO é mint!

Quase devolvi o café de tanto rir agora .

[FALCO]

Grading system

Please keep in mind that to be listed on a TimeZone sales board, a watch must be pre-owned and have been worn. Pre-owned means sold to a retail customer and no open papers.

LNIB

A pre-owned watch that has been worn, yet is in perfect condition. Accompanied by the factory box(es), tags and documentation. No alterations from factory-delivered condition. The warranty papers must be stamped to establish the authenticity and validity of the watch - TimeZone does not allow sales of watches with "open papers." No bracelet resizing or marks of any kind. 100%

Mint

A pre-owned watch that is in very nearly perfect condition. Signs of wear are visible with a low powered loupe. May be a watch that is in LNIB condition but not accompanied by the factory box(es) or documentation. May refer to an older watch that has been restored, so long as the restoration returned the watch to very nearly perfect factory original condition. Working perfectly, keeping excellent time, needs nothing. 98-100%

Near Mint

Showing very light signs of wear. Faint scratches on the case, bezel, bracelet or buckle are visible to the naked eye. Completely original in every way. Strap shows light use - may be bent or lightly creased, but not stained. Bracelet may be resized. The watch is working perfectly, keeping very good time and needs nothing. 93-97%

Excellent

Evidence of use is visible to the unaided eye. Scratches are light, but more numerous than "near mint". If the watch has been restored, all original replacement parts have been used. Strap clearly used but no stains. No dents or dings are detectable, and the bracelet has little wear. Working perfectly, needs no repair or service. 88-92%

Very good

The watch shows what might be considered normal wear by a careful owner who wore the watch regularly. Scratches are evident, but no nicks or dings. May have replacement parts and/or a high quality redial. Running and keeping good time, though may need minor regulation. A sound, attractive presentation overall. 83-87%

Good

Nothing fundamentally wrong with the watch, though it has quite obviously been used. Running and wearable, but may gain or lose a few minutes over 24 hours. Case may show a few dings, nicks, or deep scratches. May have a redial that is not up to high standards. May not have all original parts. 77-82%

Fair

Well used, may require service and/or restoration to be useable. May be running erratically. Dial, case, and other major components may not be original, but no pieces are missing. Even an untrained eye could tell the watch is worse for wear. Some might call it rough. 72-76%

Poor

Shows abuse, requires service and/or restoration. May have major cosmetic flaws, missing parts, may not run at all. A speculative piece - 'fixer-upper' would be too generous. Not junk, but requires lots of work to be made wearable. 66-71%

Scrap / Parts

A collection of parts that at one time may have been a functioning timekeeper. Now missing parts, may be rusted or corroded, not worth restoring. Most people would call it junk. 64% or worse.

Your watch description must expressly state one of the grades set out above, or an intermediate grade. If your watch does not fall precisely into one of the grades, you may use an intermediate indication such as "Good +" and provide a description of why an intermediate grade was used, for example "cosmetically rough, but just received a full mechanical overhaul, new strap, and runs perfectly."

[LUW]

Valeu Fernando, sempre queria achar uma tabela com explicação da graduação TZ.

[Alberto Ferreira]

Salve!

Pois é...
Valeu, Fernando! 

Sempre é válida uma tentativa de racionalizar e divulgar as tais "notas" e "siglas".

Mas, crucialmente, o problema é mesmo aquele levantado pelo amigo Igor.
Quem avaliou (a peça)? Quem é o fiel de tal avaliação?

Falando mais ou menos o mesmo que o Igor, mas com a minha forma de ver a coisa.

Notas?... Siglas?...
Huuuummmm! Tudo bem,....

Mas o "juiz" (o árbitro), o que "avaliou" o relógio, não seria como um daqueles dos desfiles das "escolas" de samba, onde um é Mangueira, outro é Gaviões?... 

Abraços!
Alberto

[Paulo Sergio]

Independentemente de "tabelas", quem avalia é o grande diferencial!!!     
Abraço
Paulo Sergio 

[Daniel]

Grading system

Please keep in mind that to be listed on a TimeZone sales board, a watch must be pre-owned and have been worn. Pre-owned means sold to a retail customer and no open papers.

LNIB

A pre-owned watch that has been worn, yet is in perfect condition. Accompanied by the factory box(es), tags and documentation. No alterations from factory-delivered condition. The warranty papers must be stamped to establish the authenticity and validity of the watch - TimeZone does not allow sales of watches with "open papers." No bracelet resizing or marks of any kind. 100%

Mint

A pre-owned watch that is in very nearly perfect condition. Signs of wear are visible with a low powered loupe. May be a watch that is in LNIB condition but not accompanied by the factory box(es) or documentation. May refer to an older watch that has been restored, so long as the restoration returned the watch to very nearly perfect factory original condition. Working perfectly, keeping excellent time, needs nothing. 98-100%

Near Mint

Showing very light signs of wear. Faint scratches on the case, bezel, bracelet or buckle are visible to the naked eye. Completely original in every way. Strap shows light use - may be bent or lightly creased, but not stained. Bracelet may be resized. The watch is working perfectly, keeping very good time and needs nothing. 93-97%

Excellent

Evidence of use is visible to the unaided eye. Scratches are light, but more numerous than "near mint". If the watch has been restored, all original replacement parts have been used. Strap clearly used but no stains. No dents or dings are detectable, and the bracelet has little wear. Working perfectly, needs no repair or service. 88-92%

Very good

The watch shows what might be considered normal wear by a careful owner who wore the watch regularly. Scratches are evident, but no nicks or dings. May have replacement parts and/or a high quality redial. Running and keeping good time, though may need minor regulation. A sound, attractive presentation overall. 83-87%

Good

Nothing fundamentally wrong with the watch, though it has quite obviously been used. Running and wearable, but may gain or lose a few minutes over 24 hours. Case may show a few dings, nicks, or deep scratches. May have a redial that is not up to high standards. May not have all original parts. 77-82%

Fair

Well used, may require service and/or restoration to be useable. May be running erratically. Dial, case, and other major components may not be original, but no pieces are missing. Even an untrained eye could tell the watch is worse for wear. Some might call it rough. 72-76%

Poor

Shows abuse, requires service and/or restoration. May have major cosmetic flaws, missing parts, may not run at all. A speculative piece - 'fixer-upper' would be too generous. Not junk, but requires lots of work to be made wearable. 66-71%

Scrap / Parts

A collection of parts that at one time may have been a functioning timekeeper. Now missing parts, may be rusted or corroded, not worth restoring. Most people would call it junk. 64% or worse.

Your watch description must expressly state one of the grades set out above, or an intermediate grade. If your watch does not fall precisely into one of the grades, you may use an intermediate indication such as "Good +" and provide a description of why an intermediate grade was used, for example "cosmetically rough, but just received a full mechanical overhaul, new strap, and runs perfectly."

Bem .....

Alguns de nós, incluido eu, temos dificuldades com inglês !!!

[rlessa]

Bem .....

Alguns de nós, incluido eu, temos dificuldades com inglês !!!

Como meu português não anda lá grande coisa... , não sei se ajudo muito.... os 3 principais itens:

LNIB

Relógio usado, no entanto, está em perfeito estado. Acompanhado pela caixa de fábrica , etiquetas e documentação. Nenhuma alteração do original de fábrica. Os documentos de garantia deve estar carimbado para estabelecer a autenticidade e validade do relógio - nenhum redimensionamento ou marcas de qualquer tipo na pulseira.

Mint

Relógio usado que está em condições quase perfeitas. Sinais de desgaste são visíveis com uma lupa de baixa potência. Pode ser um relógio que está em condição LNIB mas não acompanhado pela caixa de fábrica ou documentação. Pode se referir a um antigo relógio que foi restaurado, contanto que com a restauração o relógio voltou à condição de fábrica quase perfeito original. Funcionando perfeitamente, mantendo excelente momento, não precisa de nada.

Near Mint

Mostrando sinais muito claros de desgaste. Pequenos arranhões na caixa, no bezel, pulseira ou fivela são visíveis a olho nu. Totalmente original em todos os sentidos. Pulseira de couro mostra pouco uso - podem estar dobradas ou ligeiramente enrugada, mas não enferrujadas ou cortadas. Pulseira pode ter sinais de redimensionamento. O relógio está funcionando perfeitamente, mantendo o tempo muito bom e não precisa de nada.

[Daniel]

Valeu Lessa !!!

Muito legal  mesmo !!

Obrigado !!!! 

Daniel